In Conversation with Marietta Mavrokordatou

Words by

Robert Frost

In Conversation with Marietta Mavrokordatou

For as long as I can remember Marietta Mavrokordatou and I have spoken about our sight. Normally my glasses. Her contacts. Sharp or blurry pictures. But now her vision has come to direct the content of her work, it seems we can put some narrative behind it.
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I’d usually feel strange breaking ground with reference to another artist, but in our case I think it makes sense. Josephine Pryde recently closed her show at Haus am Waldsee, and I remember how much you loved it. You said, “Fuck this is SO GOOD.” Caps and everything. I just checked. Now more than before it makes perfect sense. The artist, it says online, interrogates interplays between the eye and consciousness. The work acknowledges the physicality of vision while also speculating on the workings of our imagination. There’s nothing I feel more than that in your recent work, especially in your photographs at Akwa Ibom and Radio Athènes. I want to know: did you work with Pryde in mind?

I loved that show so much. To be honest, I often work with Josephine Pryde in mind. The way she uses photography to uncover what’s unseen or hidden opens up a whole new world of possibilities for the medium. For the shows in Athens, at Akwa Ibom and Radio Athènes, the different qualities of vision came into play both literally and metaphorically. Vision isn’t just about what is seen with the eyes, but rather how that is also internalised and imagined. The camera becomes a tool that mediates these processes, helping to access what remains hidden, whether external or internal.

Yes. That’s interesting, because Barbara Stevens Sullivan has said that far more than half of seeing consists of memories, and there’s a lot of background about how Josephine Pryde engages this discourse in her images. Especially regarding her use of technological apparatuses. Was this behind your decision to employ a macro lens for these works?

Using a macro lens was a very conscious decision I made early on for these works. I have very bad eyesight, which people often find amusing, given that I work with photography. The macro lens, by allowing me to focus on things at an extremely close range, gave me a way to mimic the experience of seeing for myself. It emphasises the physicality of seeing, how for me, focus only emerges when something is in very close proximity. By shooting at such a close range, I wanted to mirror that sensation, where vision becomes an intimate act, a process of bringing the world closer in order to make sense of it.

Marietta Mavrokordatou, Installation view II, Radio Athènes, 2024. Courtesy the artist and Radio Athènes. Photos by Yiannis Hadjiaslanis

Of course, yes. I really see that in Tour Life. The pictures of the lenses. Self-examination is such an element in the work, and carries through the shows.

Yes, self-examination is a key element in the work. It acts as a way of turning the camera inward, shifting the focus from outward projection to a more introspective analysis.

How does Bus ride to the city fit into this?

In Bus ride to the city, a suite of 12 photographs taken during a single bus ride into the City of London, the experiential factor comes into focus. Framed through a folded TfL ticket, the images, with their distorted reflections and passing scenes, capture a fragmented sense of time. Offering brief, disconnected glimpses of an otherwise continuous journey, they create a sense of suspended movement within an inherently linear experience.

This takes me to the pictures in your current show at Brunette Coleman. They seem to be images of dust on floorboards or cobwebs underneath beds, and reminded me of Moyra Davey mapping her domesticity. Her images constitute a particular way of articulating the relations of future, present, and past.

I feel there is something about the accessibility of familiar environments, particularly domestic spaces, that opens up the potential for a different reading of time embedded in the photographs. By removing or choosing to hold on to certain details, Moyra Davey’s photographs, images that do not exist solely in the present, but also have pasts and futures, offer a fragmented view of the everyday, transforming it into an uncanny alternative. In this way, the images that form GIRL resist offering a resolution; instead, they depict an ongoing process of reflection and a search for something just out of reach, within spaces that feel familiar, yet remain unknowable.

Installation view of Marietta Mavrokordatou, ‘The Already Pictures’, on view at Akwa Ibom from October 26 through December 18th, 2024. Photos by Maya Tounta

I see that. Desire on full display. Underlined by glimpses of your outstretched arm, hand grasping at the emptiness. I’m dying to know if taking these photographs is a catharsis for you?

I think catharsis is a big life-depends-on-it word. I wouldn’t necessarily call it that. It’s more about putting things in order, non-linearly but still in some sort of a narrative syntax.

You’re not writing us a story or shooting a film. But if we’re attuned enough we’ll be able to find a sequence, even if it’s a slightly tangential one.

The fragmented, sequential nature of the slide projectors allows for the images to exist suspended somewhere between stillness and movement. Before shooting the work I was reading Agamben’s Nymphs, a book on Aby Warburg’s Atlas. In the first segment Agamben writes about phantasmata in choreography, which is the sudden arrest between two movements. The life of images isn’t just about being still or eventually moving again; it’s the pause in between that’s full of tension and energy, or as Agamben writes, a pause which is not immobile. And so, one’s interiority that is directly connected with the subconscious mind, appears in flashes, just as the clicking of the projector or the shutter of the camera.

Perhaps the same thing Agamben says about Bill Viola’s videos could be said about your photographs in GIRL: they insert not the images in time but time in the images. I think this is in part because you’ve relied on a similar formula, i.e., repetition.

Working with a succession of photographs primarily came from a need to understand how images work together, and how they create meaning. Compositionally but also conceptually, repetition allows for a different interpretation where the moment is not embalmed on the film emulsion, but rather it is shot again and again, in an obsessive refusal of the photographic principle which is the decisive moment or the instant of capture. Agamben’s text definitely resonates with this concept, and further emphasises how pauses, the gaps in between, are equally as important as the images themselves.

Installation view of Marietta Mavrokordatou, ‘GIRL’, on view at Brunette Coleman, London, from November 16 through December 21, 2024. Images courtesy of Brunette Coleman, London. Photography by Jack Elliot Edwards.

And the triptych is important too.

The triptych made sense in the way it could represent a beginning, middle and ending to the story, going back to the structure of a narrative syntax. Or more so its refusal. I also think that rhythm is a very distinctive element of the work, since the clicking sound of the projectors is amplified and transmitted live throughout the space, which could only be created through the use of multiple machines.

Like the phantasmata, it’s as if the pauses between the clicks bring the suspended time into the exhibition space.

And I think that was made possible through both the visual and the audio elements of the work. Introducing sound, or deciding to enhance the already existing sound, came from a need to work with the machines that allow GIRL to exist. The slide projectors, like any tool, have their own specs, and I typically like to work around these parameters. For example, following the circular structure of the carousel, which carries itself in a loop; hence the non-linear structure of the work. No beginning or end, just an ongoing continuum.

I love the carousel projectors. The viewer physically assumes the pulse of the machines. I remember when you placed two back to back at Slade, Minsuh [Kang] said that they reminded her of two sisters. Was that the experience you wanted for the viewer?

That makes me so happy. The piece I showed at Slade, Olympus and Nikon, was actually a piece where I photographed my sister, Korina as she portrayed me. We shot it in the lobby of a flat we used to live in, which felt like a kind of non-place, an in-between of interior and exterior space. I liked the idea of a kind of cyclical, neverending space, which ties into how the carousel works; there’s no real progression, just a loop. The projectors being placed back to back sort of mirrors that, making the viewer experience the work in these alternating loops of perspective.

Marietta Mavrokordatou (b. 1996, Nicosia) lives and works in London. She explores the potential forms of the photographic medium. By redefining autobiographical elements, which she uses as points of reference, a new way of perceiving is presented through her own eyes. Recent exhibitions include: GIRL, Brunette Coleman, London (2024), TOUR LIFE, Radio Athènes, Athens (2024), The Already Pictures, Akwa Ibom, Athens (2024), Scenario, wieoftnoch, Karlsruhe (2024), GIRL, Thkio Ppalies, Nicosia (2023), Our Misfortune, Thousand Julys, Nicosia (2022), Ah, This! (curated by Helena Papadopoulos), Felix Gaudlitz, Vienna (2023).
Robert Frost is a writer, editor of émergent, and host of Divine Transportations.

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(Top left) Artist Portrait. Photo by Orestis Lazouras (Top right) Marietta Mavrokordatou, ‘Bus ride to the city’, available to view on Divine Transportations, 2024. Courtesy the artist and Divine Transportations (1) Marietta Mavrokordatou, ‘2:00’, 2024. (3 plus 1AP). Archival pigment print, 53 x 80 cm. Courtesy the artist and Radio Athènes (2) Installation view of Marietta Mavrokordatou, ‘The Already Pictures’, on view at Akwa Ibom from October 26 through December 18th, 2024. Photos by Maya Tounta (3) Installation view of Marietta Mavrokordatou, ‘GIRL’, on view at Brunette Coleman, London, from November 16 through December 21, 2024. Images courtesy of Brunette Coleman, London. Photography by Jack Elliot Edwards. (4) Marietta Mavrokordatou, ‘12:00’, 2024. (3 plus 1AP). Archival pigment print, 53 x 80 cm. Courtesy the artist and Radio Athènes