In Conversation with Anna Jermolaewa

Words by

Sabrina Roman

In Conversation with Anna Jermolaewa

Originally published in Issue 12

I’ve seen numerous contradictions through-out your creative endeavours, where oppression is complemented by a yearning for emancipation and brutality is counteracted through a presence of fragility, particularly in your ongoing Rehearsal for Swan Lake production. How do you reconcile the political as well as social brutality that accompanied you throughout your early life, first living in an oppressive milieu of state socialism, and then existing as a political refugee, with the delicacy of ballet? Is there a significantly familiar correlation between the psychological pressures that you faced and the physical demands of the body that are on display here?

In my works that touch upon the social or political aspects of my personal experience, I try to find ways to engender a dialogue that goes beyond my experience. I try to make sense of the world, or at least what I’ve experienced in it, through concepts that hopefully can inspire someone to think about their own place in the world and how they interact with others. It’s not so much about me experiencing this as it is an examination of something I have experienced, for example, in my work Research for Sleeping Positions.

A good friend of mine described my practice once so well that it always stuck with me. She said that, simply, my work “finds the poetry in everyday life.” When applied to the world, and one’s experience, which can be both tragic and wonderful, and endlessly complex, this “poetry” can manifest itself in concepts that contain contradictions, correlations, and other aspects that ask the viewer to contemplate this complexity and maybe even inspire, such as with my works that touch on the refugee experience, a little empathy.

Research for Sleeping Positions, 2006/2024, Installation view, Austrian Pavilion, Biennale Arte 2024 Photo: Markus Krottendorfer and Bildrecht

The introduction and presence of Russian, as well as Soviet imports, are recurring within your practice, especially in The Doubles where satirical doppelgängers of Lenin, Stalin, Gorbachev and Putin made an appearance and even more so here where the toppling of the latter is envisaged. In your opinion, is it paradoxical to build your projects off of the bedrock of Russian and Soviet practices before using those same practices to rail against the very regimes that enforced them?

Many of my works have, at least I believe, a strong sense of irony. Take The Doubles for example. The impersonators of these Soviet leaders, and Putin, who are for hire for Russian oligarchs’ private parties, tv appearances, or simply wander around Red Square for tourists to take photos with, come across as benign, almost comical, performers. But the way Russian society reacts to them speaks to a troubling and terrifying re-writing of Soviet historical narratives. When I was with the Stalin impersonator in a shopping mall food court, a young man interrupted the interview to tell him that he was his “hero”! On the other side of the coin, the Gorbachev impersonator became quite unpopular (even afraid to be beaten up on the street when he was in his role) and has since retired.

In one of my early videos, Trying to Survive, I use nevalyashka (roly-poly) dolls asa metaphor for the average citizen. Against a white background, the dolls begin to wobble back and forth. Soon they find a rhythm, smacking from side to side in unison; however, as their environment grows more aggressive, they begin to spin and tumble out of control, a chaos that ends with all eventually falling out of frame and dropping to the floor with a loud “BANG!” like a gunshot.

With Rehearsal for Swan Lake, I use what was once a tool of a corrupt state to distract its citizens (and avoid popular unrest/protest) as a form of protest against the current corrupt regime that succeeded it. Like most of my concepts that use irony, it involves a paradoxical element, but is in no way humorous. Irony and paradox as a form (or language) of protest or resistance can show that one can use the same tools (or codes) to break down a system that the system uses to try to maintain itself. At the very least, I hope that artworks and actions that use this approach can inspire others to find their own creative means of resistance.

The Penultimate, 2017, Installation view, Austrian Pavilion, Biennale Arte 2024 Photo: Markus Krottendorfer Photo: Markus Krottendorfer and Bildrecht

I’m curious. For all the conversations you’ve had over the course of your artistic career, the characterization of your being a “dissident artist” has been regurgitated time and time again, not by yourself, but with those you’ve had these discussions with. What is your opinion of this provocative label and how do you see it as being perceived, perhaps even misunderstood, by others?

I would prefer to be referred to as a conceptual artist. Many of my ideas come from my life experience, or how I see the world, and the artwork produced is my voice. Sometimes that voice is political, sometimes not. I am strongly against Putin and his regime and their murderous actions in Ukraine, both before and after the full invasion. In some of my works, I voice this opinion. This stance, combined with my history working with the political opposition party in Leningrad in the late ‘80s, probably led to the label you speak of. But I also have a lot of works that involve pigeons and no one calls me a “pigeon artist,” at least to my face.

Installation view, Anna Jermolaewa & Oksana Serheieva, Rehearsal for Swan Lake, 2024, Austrian Pavilion, Biennale Arte 2024. Photo: Markus Krottendorfer and Bildrecht

Rehearsal for Swan Lake, to me, comes across as being, subtly urgent, as if the dancers, themselves, are desperately trying to break free from an unseen force that remains entirely inconspicuous to the observer. Bringing this routine to life was something that you had support from Oksana Serheiva having admitted that you are not from “the ballet world, and have only seen the end result of a ballet, in its seemingly effortless perfection.” Where did the bloodier and more unrefined aspects of ballet, the “sweat” and“bloody feet” as you’ve also said, encourage you to further contend with the more unappetising sides of humanity?

The concept for Rehearsal for Swan Lake started with my childhood memories of seeing Swan Lake broadcast in a loop on Soviet TV, as a tool of the state to distract and placate its citizens during a time of political instability or duress. Among many, it had an opposite effect: it caused an apprehensive excitement that something in the oppressive Soviet system was going to change. At the least, it signified that a powerful Soviet leader had died.

I found these aspects especially poignant in turning this tool of the state, Swan Lake, into a protest against Putin.

We began production with the idea that we would rehearse for a final performance that would be our “Swan Lake broadcast.” While filming rehearsals, and seeing the hardships Oksana and the dancers put themselves through, it became obvious that the work was in the rehearsal itself. Their struggle to achieve “Swan Lake”—not only the physical toll, but the missteps, the search for a unity of movement—emulates the hardships inherently involved in resistance against authoritarian regimes. All of the “color revolutions” I show signifiers for in The Penultimate were only made possible by incredible determination, struggle, and sacrifice.

Anna Jermolaewa was born in 1970 in Leningrad, USSR, from where she fled political persecution in 1989. She made her new home in Austria, where for the last thirty-five years she has developed a body of work that, while conceptual, touches on the poetry of everyday life. Her work asks us to analyze society and our social and political interactions within it. The works in the exhibition range from topics such as her experience as a political refugee, Research for Sleeping Positions (2006) and Untitled (Telephone Booths) (2024), to signifiers of revolution and subversion against undemocratic regimes, The Penultimate (2017) and Ribs (2022/24). These themes culminate in Rehearsal for Swan Lake (2024). This video, installation, and performance piece—realized in collaboration with Ukrainian ballet dancer and choreographer Oksana Serheieva—turns Tchaikovsky’s famous ballet from a Soviet tool of distraction and censorship into a political protest—the dancers rehearsing for regime change in Russia.

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(Top left) Gabriele Spindler and Anna Jermolaewa, Photo: Maria Ziegelböck (Top right) Ribs, 2022/24, Installation view, detail, Austrian Pavilion, Biennale Arte 2024 Photo: Markus Krottendorfer and Bildrecht (1) Research for Sleeping Positions, 2006/2024, Video still (2) Ribs, 2022/24, Installation view, Austrian Pavilion, Biennale Arte 2024. Photo: Markus Krottendorfer and Bildrecht (3) Installation view, Anna Jermolaewa & Oksana Serheieva, Rehearsal for Swan Lake, 2024, Austrian Pavilion, Biennale Arte 2024. Photo: Markus Krottendorfer and Bildrecht (4) Rehearsal for Swan Lake, Anna Jermolaewa & Oksana Serheieva, 2023. Photo: Anna Jermolaewa and Bildrecht