In the Studio with Maki Na Kamura.

Words by

Maddalena Bonato

In the Studio with Maki Na Kamura.


Being a Japanese artist living and working in Europe, how do you handle your cultural roots within the Western world? How has this influenced your art practice?

When I visited the Metropolitan Museum years ago I was fascinated by the suits of armour from around the world. The Japanese ones caught my eye because of their extreme, almost manic detailing, as if it was a compulsion or even a prayer, but they also had a certain primitivity. No idea if this has anything to do with my ethnic origins.

You are based in Berlin. Does this city influence and/or contribute to your practice in any way?

I miss the skyscrapers. The endless expanses certainly have an effect. But a bigger impact is made by the museums that represent a core of extreme energies.

Maki Na Kamura, “Claim of Babylon II”, 2023, Oil, tempera on canvas. Courtesy Michael Werner Gallery, NewYork and London.

What leads you to start a new painting?

Unsolved problems are the starting point. Not being sure you will ever solve them is what keeps you going..

And how do you know a painting is finished?

You’re exhausted, or you’re relieved by an illusion. Next day you may end up starting again from scratch.

Maki Na Kamura, “Ed X” 2023, Oil, tempera on canvas. Courtesy Michael Werner Gallery, NewYork and London.

Your art has often been described as ‘in between extreme pointsʼ. Some examples are the figurative and the abstract, but also the past and the contemporary, as well as Western and Eastern cultures. How does it feel to be in this middle area and to touch on extremes without really identifying in either of them?

I think that a "middle area" can only exist as fiction. A polar situation like light/shade, black/white, present/history has always been a tool in discourse. The idea is to stimulate the public’s imagination and to throw out an anchor. This is a tradition and I’m a "traditional" painter, without belonging to the "trade".

In your latest series of works, now on show at Michael Werner Gallery in London, the gap between figures and landscape is very slight. The latter almost absorbs the figures within it, becoming all one thing. Is this perhaps an intent to becoming more abstract? How do you believe your works will evolve in the future?

Interestingly, Giorgione’s Sleeping Venus from Dresden accompanied by thinking about landscape for a while. The way the picture is built is highly conceptual. The fields extending into the distance are surfaces like Venus’s body. The painter piled them up as something other than what they portray. In the face of such radicality, Venus just fades away. I think it was then that I began to realize how much can be made out of “figure in a landscape”.

Maki Na Kamura, “Ed XIII”, 2023, Oil, tempera on canvas. Courtesy Michael Werner Gallery, NewYork and London.

The way you paint the figures is usually by highlighting their gestures rather than their image. The colour and the brushstrokes are different by those of the landscape. They are dynamic and on as if in motion...

At present, I can really use “essential components” in the sense of Leonardo’s “Vitruvian Man”. My human figures are also colourful, their movements often remain unexplainable, but they are easy to shape, should I wish to do so.

Also, the perception of space and perspective is never fixed. There are multiple planes which can be grasped from different points of view depending on the viewerʼs intention...

Degas always makes me chuckle. In his work, there’s always something slightly amiss spatially. Whether I take an early painting like “Semiramis Building Babylon” or his later bathers and ballerinas, the ground at the feet of the viewer, or the painter, falls away radically, as if the viewer were standing in the picture with a camera on a tripod with a wide-angle lens. A similarly peculiar sense of space can be found in the work of his contemporaries like Munch, Lautrec and Caillebotte. Although these works coincide with the spread of mobile cameras that required a tripod, with Degas there is an extra something, and it’s strong. It’s like the painter’s smell. And the viewer is of course the thing on which the existence of painting most depends.

Maki Na Kamura, “Ed XIV”, 2023, Oil, tempera on canvas. Courtesy Michael Werner Gallery, NewYork and London.

Your paintings take the viewer inside them and let they be immersed by the endless possibilities of what can be grasped. This is why I perceive your works to be carrying some imagination and dream in them. To what extent do you agree with this? Do you intend to let the viewer dream and play with imagination or do you rather have a clear message to convey through every artwork?

This question makes me feel almost like a Constructivist. I experience painting as hard work. Why should the viewer have an easier life?

Maki Na Kamura, “Ed XVII” 2023, Oil, tempera on canvas. Courtesy Michael Werner Gallery, NewYork and London.

Maki Na Kamura, “Camp VI” 2023, Oil, tempera on canvas. Courtesy Michael Werner Gallery, NewYork and London.

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Courtesy Michael Werner Gallery, New York and London.